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		<title>By: Marvin Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marvin Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 03:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, these guesstimates are fine for overall market trends, but horrific for the individual home value. Thanks for reading!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, these guesstimates are fine for overall market trends, but horrific for the individual home value. Thanks for reading!</p>
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		<title>By: rob aubrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like you said marvin, nothing beats an experienced agent on the ground that understands the local market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like you said marvin, nothing beats an experienced agent on the ground that understands the local market.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

Zillow does not allow anyone to store Zestimates or to create a public-facing derivative work with a Zestimate. Therefore, ValueSearch could not be implemented by any 3rd party website using Zestimates or the API. Is this a policy that Zillow is looking to change?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Zillow does not allow anyone to store Zestimates or to create a public-facing derivative work with a Zestimate. Therefore, ValueSearch could not be implemented by any 3rd party website using Zestimates or the API. Is this a policy that Zillow is looking to change?</p>
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		<title>By: Marvin Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marvin Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 06:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, Thanks for the info on the plug-in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, Thanks for the info on the plug-in.</p>
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		<title>By: David G from Zillow.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>David G from Zillow.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marvin - 

PS - Check out this plugin to allow your commenters to subscribe to new comments on posts that they&#039;re following: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/subscribe-to-comments/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvin &#8211; </p>
<p>PS &#8211; Check out this plugin to allow your commenters to subscribe to new comments on posts that they&#8217;re following: <a href="http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/subscribe-to-comments/" rel="nofollow">http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/subscribe-to-comments/</a></p>
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		<title>By: David G from Zillow.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>David G from Zillow.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marvin,

Ha Ha! I know better than to comment on the accuracy of list prices but no, they don&#039;t go into Zestimate calculations (sales do.) We use the listing&#039;s facts - beds, baths, square feet - to update the database of public tax records. Although public records are a pretty good starting point, a listing is the most current, complete and accurate source of these core home facts for many homes.

Manuel - 

If you ever need estimates beyond Florida (or mortgage rates and estimates), please consider using Zillow API&#039;s ... http://www.zillow.com/howto/api/APIOverview.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvin,</p>
<p>Ha Ha! I know better than to comment on the accuracy of list prices but no, they don&#8217;t go into Zestimate calculations (sales do.) We use the listing&#8217;s facts &#8211; beds, baths, square feet &#8211; to update the database of public tax records. Although public records are a pretty good starting point, a listing is the most current, complete and accurate source of these core home facts for many homes.</p>
<p>Manuel &#8211; </p>
<p>If you ever need estimates beyond Florida (or mortgage rates and estimates), please consider using Zillow API&#8217;s &#8230; <a href="http://www.zillow.com/howto/api/APIOverview.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.zillow.com/howto/api/APIOverview.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Manuel Iraola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manuel Iraola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 02:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marvin,
I agree with your general position.
Our AVM(ValueSearch) is  one of the tools - but not the only tool- we give our clients to understand the dynamics of the market. Our site gives them free online access to all historical comparables as well as those active listings that are truly comparable to the listed property. Finally, our clients have quick access to the details around the most recent sale of the subject property. We believe all these elements are equally important. However, as opposed to Zillow, Homekeys is a Real Estate corporation operating in 67 counties in the State of Florida. That means that our agents are in face to face discussions with our clients. Our role is to assit the client in the interpretation of the information that is currently available to them in our site as well as other sites. Will be happy to discuss with you in further details.
Best</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvin,<br />
I agree with your general position.<br />
Our AVM(ValueSearch) is  one of the tools &#8211; but not the only tool- we give our clients to understand the dynamics of the market. Our site gives them free online access to all historical comparables as well as those active listings that are truly comparable to the listed property. Finally, our clients have quick access to the details around the most recent sale of the subject property. We believe all these elements are equally important. However, as opposed to Zillow, Homekeys is a Real Estate corporation operating in 67 counties in the State of Florida. That means that our agents are in face to face discussions with our clients. Our role is to assit the client in the interpretation of the information that is currently available to them in our site as well as other sites. Will be happy to discuss with you in further details.<br />
Best</p>
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		<title>By: Marvin Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marvin Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 01:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

Thanks for your clarifications on your product. Does Zillow use listing data to give Zestimates? Because these days, listing prices tend to be way off for value purposes. 

Thanks for your feedback!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Thanks for your clarifications on your product. Does Zillow use listing data to give Zestimates? Because these days, listing prices tend to be way off for value purposes. </p>
<p>Thanks for your feedback!</p>
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		<title>By: David G from Zillow.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>David G from Zillow.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic post Marvin, I couldn&#039;t agree more.

Besides the non-disclosure issue (UT is voluntary disclosure with a surprising amount of sales that are public), I have not had good experiences with the accuracy of public records in UT. Greg Tracy from Blueroof blog once pulled assessor data and compared it to listing info for 10 Salt Lake listings and 9 out of 10 of the public records were significantly off in important facts like total sq.ft. and number of bathrooms. This quality of raw data causes huge challenges for AVMs like Cyberhomes&#039; that do not consider the listing agents&#039; data when calculating estimates. This is another reason to ensure that your listings are on Zillow - the Zestimate algorithm uses the listing data to refine its accuracy.

Manuel - 

Zillow doesn&#039;t actually use only one algorithm. Given the great variance in the completeness of public records, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s really possible to use only one model. You&#039;re right about frequency - monthly doesn&#039;t hack it for many people. We&#039;re currently refreshing Zestimates up to 3 times a week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic post Marvin, I couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
<p>Besides the non-disclosure issue (UT is voluntary disclosure with a surprising amount of sales that are public), I have not had good experiences with the accuracy of public records in UT. Greg Tracy from Blueroof blog once pulled assessor data and compared it to listing info for 10 Salt Lake listings and 9 out of 10 of the public records were significantly off in important facts like total sq.ft. and number of bathrooms. This quality of raw data causes huge challenges for AVMs like Cyberhomes&#8217; that do not consider the listing agents&#8217; data when calculating estimates. This is another reason to ensure that your listings are on Zillow &#8211; the Zestimate algorithm uses the listing data to refine its accuracy.</p>
<p>Manuel &#8211; </p>
<p>Zillow doesn&#8217;t actually use only one algorithm. Given the great variance in the completeness of public records, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s really possible to use only one model. You&#8217;re right about frequency &#8211; monthly doesn&#8217;t hack it for many people. We&#8217;re currently refreshing Zestimates up to 3 times a week.</p>
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		<title>By: Marvin Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marvin Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manuel,

A local approach seems interesting. I will take a look at the site. Too many homeowners are relying on these AVM&#039; as value for their home that can be taken to the bank, which is not the case. I think the AVM&#039;s are very useful as an indicator of an area, and trends of an area, but I think that zestimates/etc. on individual homes are a disservice to the homeowner. There are too many variables to consider. Remember, appriasers get ALL of there information from Realtors. The very best market value indicator is what a buyer will pay for the home. 

Thanks for your imput!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manuel,</p>
<p>A local approach seems interesting. I will take a look at the site. Too many homeowners are relying on these AVM&#8217; as value for their home that can be taken to the bank, which is not the case. I think the AVM&#8217;s are very useful as an indicator of an area, and trends of an area, but I think that zestimates/etc. on individual homes are a disservice to the homeowner. There are too many variables to consider. Remember, appriasers get ALL of there information from Realtors. The very best market value indicator is what a buyer will pay for the home. </p>
<p>Thanks for your imput!</p>
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